Yelp UK: Big & Funded vs Small & Indie

By Cate Sevilla

For those of you who did not catch the memo yesterday - Yelp have now made their way over to the UK. Unfortunately (depending on how you look at it) there are already many start-up review community sites in the UK and London.

From Brownbook.net, to TouchLocal.com, to Tipped and - the well-funded - Qype, the arrival of Yelp seems to have pushed the War of Local into BRING IT ON MOFO mode.

The CEOs of the companies above all gave Mike Butcher of TechCrunch their response to the launch of Yelp UK, and, for the most part, they all sounded pretty upbeat. Some starting listing features that they have that Yelp don't, some took a few jabs, and others like Mark Livingstone of TouchLocal declared that:

"It is becoming clearer by the day it’s the well backed, access to capital companies that will survive and win."

Really? I may not be a business know-it-all or know as much about start-ups and VC funding as Sarah Lacy - but from what I heard at Le Web and straight from the mouths of many an entrepreneur - a financial downturn like this is actually a good time to be a start-up.

Not ideal, not fantastic - but good.

I was under the impression that it wasn't a case of "the strongest will survive" or, as Mark is saying, "those with Capital will survive" - but that those who adapt the best will be the ones still standing when the economic dust settles.

Joel Brazil from Tipped explained that the well-funded sites like Qype, Yelp (and TouchLocal as they're also a funded company) are essentially "the Starbucks" of the local review sites in the UK -  and it seems that  Tipped is now positioning itself as your hip and independent coffee house next door.

While Livingstone may believe that it's the companies with funding that will "win", Brazil clearly disagrees, as in his response, he stated:

"We don’t think it takes a massive amount of capital to build a great product and a great community."

Booya!

Surely, there's a formula to success, and Yelp certainly seem to have figured a bit of that formula out. However, because Yelp have VC funding, they can afford to pay for reviewers - which apparently they're now calling "Scouts". Doesn't that make the reviews less authentic? Less real?

The Register brought up this issue today, saying that Yelp, “as usual" have "already paid an unspecified number of people to seed the new site with reviews.”

A spokeswoman for Yelp told The Register that the paid reviewers are - as a matter of fact - no longer actually writing reviews, and that they’re just “scouts” now:

"We're available across the UK, but our initial efforts are focused on London, and that's where we had a scouting program set up. There scouting badges are still on the site so users can see who's who."

What Ichinose would not say how many of their "temporary contract workers” there were or how much they were getting paid.

Last year there was a big stink about Yelp putting ads up for people to write “witty and insightful reviews” and then “getting your well-written friends (and their friends) to join Yelp” in cities like Atanta, Austin, Tex., San Diego and Washington. Yelp CEO Jeremy Stoppelman responded to The Register in 2007 by saying that,

“A negligible number of reviews have been written by consultants and we only use these people for new markets and for short periods of time (2 months) when little-to-no community exists. Within the next 48 hours all consultants will have identifying badges, I want to make sure everyone understands we're not trying to trick anyone.”

 I wonder how long these "Scouts" or "Consultants" have done or will remain writing paid reviews for Yelp in London and the UK?

I understand Yelp needing content up on their site before launching in a new country and new cities. I can also understand hiring a certain number of people, who genuinely believe in upholding the standards and authenticity of the site to write reviews for them.

But when they boast to be about “Real People. Real Reviews” and then pay, what we’re assuming to be a large amount of people, to review a bunch of different establishments in a city – with a teeny tiny “Scout” badge to identify them as such – it all seems to be in the name of quantity of content rather than quality of content.

Sure, unfunded sites like Tipped may have less reviews up than Yelp – but I would feel better knowing that the reviews that are up on a smaller site were written with a different intent than the Scout posts on Yelp.

I want to read posts that were written by somebody who was so happy/unhappy with an establishment that they were compelled to go online and share with others what they experienced there. Not by someone who wrote up a review because they were motivated by eight dollars and a free set of Make Me Yelp knickers.

Figures and funding aside – you simply cannot buy an authentic, thriving online community. So, even if the folks like Qype and Yelp “win” because they have backing and can spring for Scouts and essentially hundreds of reviews, I’d much rather hang out in a real community, with reviews that were written out of genuine interest the site.

There is always a need for an alternative to big sites like Yelp, it’s just a matter of who can adapt quickly and position themselves as such.

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Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:37 (GMT+00)
8 Responses
1.

This is a really great post, and it's an interesting look at Yelp coming in to an already busy market.

That said, the community on Qype is actually really strong, despite it having a large amount of funding. The reviewers there believe in what they're writing and they disagree and get excited about everywhere from tube stations, to swanky bars to public toilets.

That, coupled with the monthly events that Qype holds (not just by Qype itself -
the community also hold their own out of pure enjoyment) mean that there's a great core of community spirit and people really support the users, both new and old, whatever their reason for visiting the site.

Siany
Fri, 09-Jan-2009 20:18 GMT
2.

Fantastic blog post! Well written, balanced and and you make some great points about startup survival and building a community. I wrote a blog post about the first topic (When is the best time to start a company? http://busterblog.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/when-is-the-best-time-to-start-a-company/). Would love to know what you think. Also, I started a company called Wahanda (http://www.wahanda.com), and we are trying to build a real community with real reviews, so what Yelp does makes us cringe a bit...Anyway, thanks for the post!

Salim
Fri, 09-Jan-2009 22:25 GMT
3.

I agree that this is a good post, but wouldn't assume that paying a nominal fee for a review makes it less authentic or "real". I don't think it does and it's a good way to get other people interested and writing their own reviews. Only about 10% of a UGC site's users are content contributors anyway, the rest are lurkers and use the value of the site without contributing.

Patty
Sat, 10-Jan-2009 00:12 GMT
4.

Patty -

I'm not against having paid reviews - I completely understand why they do it and how from a business perspective, it helps them get content on the site. However, I think it's the ratio of paid vs random user reviews that's important. If the company only featuers positive reviews written by paid writers.

Another thing I think is important is if f the paid writers strongly participate in the community aspect of the site, so that the other users can get to know "Sarah the Scout". If she's "Sarah The Scout" and the other users get a sense for her style and her tastes so that she is, essentially a genuine user, that's awesome.

But from what I can tell so far, a lot of the content from the Scouts seems to be just dry and unoriginal reviews with a Scout badge slapped on it.

Anyway. Long comment, lol. Thanks for commenting!

Cate
Sat, 10-Jan-2009 00:38 GMT
5.

I was a scout. My reviews are totally uncensored. Censorship is crap. I gave one star reviews loads of times. I didn't just do "pc material" either.

Check the site out...
msauroraf@yelp.co.uk

A
Sat, 10-Jan-2009 14:52 GMT
6.

I used to work closely with Yelp (the PR agency I was with represented them and I was instrumental in bringing Yelp to the table when we were pitching them.) Over the five years or so that Yelp has been around there have been a lot of allegations that Yelp pays for reviews. This is patently untrue. Scouts and Community Managers are responsible for populating content (adding business listings, organizing meet-ups, creating interesting Talk threads) in new community demographics as a way to entice people to participate. As everyone knows, if a community has no interaction going on in it there is little reason for n00bs to jump into the fray. Someone has to be the community leader. And, yes - like every other review site - they have staff whose primary function is to get the ball rolling and get the Yelp brand out into the new community.

What people in the UK do not know about Yelp, though, is that once the community reaches a specific number of reviews (I believe the number is 500... ??) the Community Managers and Scouts are directed to back off posting in favor of letting users create content.

Of course the ratio of Yelp employees to users is unbalanced at the moment - though I think you'll find as the community starts to become populated with users that the user reviews and content will far outrank Yelp's employee's postings. Yah it might be dry and uninspired - but, that is because they are trying to flush out the community, creating listings for businesses in order to encourage people to comment on what they've said or to counter with a better review.

The fact is that it's a common strategy for social networking startups to compel their employees to use their product, because if you don't have the evangelization of those who work for you you're kind of sunk as a company. I don't understand why this brings review sites into the crosshairs more than something like YouTube or Facebook or any other app which has employees of the company participating in using it.

Also, while they may pay some people who are writing reviews - they do not pay for reviews - there is a huge semantic leap in saying that they do. Community Managers and Scouts are tasked with a TON of other things, contributing reviews is only a small portion of their job.

I have a lot of friends who work for Yelp (in a variety of capacities) and Yelp is very, very strict about what employees are allowed to review and how those reviews are presented.

And, honestly if you want to see how Yelp really works you need to take a look at a Yelp community which is thriving (San Francisco, Chicago, LA, New York) and has been active for at least a year to get a good impression. Specifically if you look at SF you'll get a good sense of what they're going for.

Kate
Mon, 12-Jan-2009 18:33 GMT
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